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Neike Taika-Tessaro
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 9:33 pm    Post subject: Currency, Anthem, Animal, and all that jazz. Reply with quote

1 . Currency - We don't really have a currency. I never gave it a thought in the CF DA, but I did give it one in Nationstates: the stealth, or the AP (astral pound). It sounds a little awkward, though. "That'll be fifteen stealths." Heh. I'm thinking a variant of 'mark' might be nice (from Deutsche Mark), dollar is hopelessly overused.

2 . Anthem - An instrumental anthem? Maybe with unofficial, but widespread lyrics for those who cannot stop themselves from wanting to sing along, heh. Electronica? I hate fanfares.

3 . Animal - I think we can stick to the silverskull butterfly. I keep them as pets on the internet - fictional, yes, but in Iceland, they have elves in their constitution, so who would stop us? Unless someone has a great idea, of course. Very Happy

4 . Leader Title - Najesty? Archon? I prefer latter, and have no new ideas. Keep in mind it would be fairly irrelevant, it's more important for the abstraction of events. You would never adress someone saying, "My archon, can I speak to you for a moment?", for example. It's more of for political texts and representation to the outside. "This is the archon of Dark Arcadia, blah blah". You get the gist.

5 . Motto - I had "Ave Caligo" for my Nationstates Dark Arcadia - Hail Darkness - but, first of all, it's probably bad grammar latin, and secondly, it's probably not that good... or?

6 . Plant - The, um, Orchid? ...I have no clue. I have never given this a thought!

7 . Citizenship Name - I always liked Arcadians. "Dark Arcadians" is too long. Thoughts? Darcians (ew?)? I'm game for good suggestions.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure about currency. Could be just about anything really.

I actually think a lyric held anthem would be better, but because I can't see an entire instrumental one holding up. Perhaps limited lyric's if you prefer.

The animal sounds good to me Very Happy

I actually am fine with Archon.

Would you want to have the motto latin?

I would think the Plant should tie in with the animal. Seeing as its a silverskull butterfly I think something abstract should be interesting.

Arcadians just seems the good route to me. Dark Arcadians is no good and Darcians? I agree with ew.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: Currency, Anthem, Animal, and all that jazz. Reply with quote

1 . Currency - Def. not dollar. The mark-ish type whatever sounds good.

2 . Anthem - Limited or no lyrics

3 . Animal - Butterflies!

4 . Leader Title - Najesty or Archon work well

5 . Motto - Um....

6 . Plant - Orchid... or something flowery to tie in with the buttefly.

7 . Citizenship Name - Arcadians.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

WhiteLighter wrote:
I actually think a lyric held anthem would be better, but because I can't see an entire instrumental one holding up. Perhaps limited lyric's if you prefer.


The problem I have with lyrics is that it means everyone will regularily make a fool of themselves if they're asked to recite the damn thing. I refer you to the world cup. No one sings anthems anymore, because they don't care for the lyrics. The melody, though - they know that. It's quick to ingrain itself. So if the anthem is designed sans lyrics, no one makes a fool of themselves.

I'd rather the song came with a national dance or something, than with lyrics. I'm like that. Razz

But at the same time, catchy melodies make you wish you could brawl along. Such as, Luxuria. But then, I was hoping for something majestic that spoke for itself, heh. Though I suppose Astral America has lyrics and would do the trick.

"I shall not cease from mental fight,
no politics will see me right,
no man in space, no space in man,
a god-shaped hole in a god-shaped land.
"

Except, well, other nations would stone us for mocking them.

WhiteLighter wrote:
Would you want to have the motto latin?


I'm not entirely sure. Either latin, or obscurely worded so that it's impossible to understand without at least some thought being put into it.

WhiteLighter wrote:
I would think the Plant should tie in with the animal. Seeing as its a silverskull butterfly I think something abstract should be interesting.


Oi, making it hard for me, are you? Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
I'm not entirely sure. Either latin, or obscurely worded so that it's impossible to understand without at least some thought being put into it.


I agree.

Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
WhiteLighter wrote:
I would think the Plant should tie in with the animal. Seeing as its a silverskull butterfly I think something abstract should be interesting.


Oi, making it hard for me, are you? Razz


Who me? Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Currency, Anthem, Animal, and all that jazz. Reply with quote

Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
1 . Currency
  • Summary: Any variant of dollar has been objected to. Stealth has been objected to. A variant of mark has been suggested and confirmed.
  • Decision: A variant of mark.
  • Further discussion: What variant, exactly?
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
2 . Anthem
  • Summary: Discussed issue unresolved, other issues not discussed.
  • Decision: None.
  • Further discussion: Lyrics/non-lyrics unresolved. Genre not yet debated (current suggestion - electronica). Specific song definitely not debated yet.
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
3 . Animal
  • Summary: No objections to silverskull butterfly.
  • Decision: The Silverskull Butterfly.
  • Further discussion: None.
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
4 . Leader Title
  • Summary: No objections were made to Archon.
  • Decision: Archon.
  • Further discussion: None.
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
5 . Motto
  • Summary: No new suggestions.
  • Decision: None.
  • Further discussion: Latin? Or (somewhat obscure) english? - And what?
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
6 . Plant
  • Summary: An abstraction was suggested, to tie in with the silverskull butterfly, which seems to be what everyone is in strong favour of at the moment. Also, not too seriously, the orchid was suggested, but found no real objection.
  • Decision: The plant will be something equally fictional as the silverskull butterfly,...
  • Further discussion: ... but has yet to be designed.
Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
7 . Citizenship Name
  • Summary: No objections to Arcadians.
  • Decision: Arcadians.
  • Further discussion: None.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1 . Currency

Doesn't really matter to me what variant. What would you prefer?

2 . Anthem

Still would prefer lyrics. Perhaps it could be more instrumental than lyrically inclined?

5 . Motto

I agree with what was presented before. It should be latin or obscure english. Only thing about the latin is that you'll have to make sure its written correctly. *doesn't know Latin*

6 . Plant

Not sure, as you said should be equally abstract as the butterfly. Perhaps a weeping rose? Or something of the type?
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RE: Currency,

I like the term "signum" for the base Arcan unit of currency. This can be shortened in standard vernacular as the "sig". "That'll be 12 sigs, please."

Latin Dictionary -> "signum": seal, indication, sign/ mark /token.


RE: Citizenship Name

I was pondering "Arcan" instead of "Arcadian". Shorter, smoother, and I like the feel better. Also, "Arcan" is very close to "Archon", the title of the Arcadian leader. It makes the difference between the leader and the rest just... right, I think for a meritocracy, implying by similarity that the leader may once again be the follower when the circumstances change.


RE: Anthem

Irony would be greatly served by writing new words for the tune used for "God Save the King" -and- for "My Country Tis of Thee". Think about that for a while... songs praising the Democracy and the Monarchy used to praise the Meritocracy.

Brian

P.S. I do support the Democratic/Republic form of government. But my irony meter likes being pegged.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 12, 2006 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BLusk wrote:
RE: Currency,

I like the term "signum" for the base Arcan unit of currency. This can be shortened in standard vernacular as the "sig". "That'll be 12 sigs, please."

Latin Dictionary -> "signum": seal, indication, sign/ mark /token.


I like that idea.


BLusk wrote:
RE: Citizenship Name

I was pondering "Arcan" instead of "Arcadian". Shorter, smoother, and I like the feel better. Also, "Arcan" is very close to "Archon", the title of the Arcadian leader. It makes the difference between the leader and the rest just... right, I think for a meritocracy, implying by similarity that the leader may once again be the follower when the circumstances change.


I don't know. I like them both and so now I'm torn. What if one is a slang?


BLusk wrote:
RE: Anthem

Irony would be greatly served by writing new words for the tune used for "God Save the King" -and- for "My Country Tis of Thee". Think about that for a while... songs praising the Democracy and the Monarchy used to praise the Meritocracy.


*laughs* Now that could be fun

BLusk wrote:
Brian

P.S. I do support the Democratic/Republic form of government. But my irony meter likes being pegged.


*smirks* The help is nice though.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whit Porter wrote:
BLusk wrote:
RE: Citizenship Name

I was pondering "Arcan" instead of "Arcadian". Shorter, smoother, and I like the feel better. Also, "Arcan" is very close to "Archon", the title of the Arcadian leader. It makes the difference between the leader and the rest just... right, I think for a meritocracy, implying by similarity that the leader may once again be the follower when the circumstances change.


I don't know. I like them both and so now I'm torn. What if one is a slang?


Whit,

I hate institutionalizing slang into the base of an organization. Either/or should be decided on. Slang will write itself later. Very Happy And, more to the point, slang will happen. The question is whether it is more meritorious to have a name that in and of itself resists slang (the shorter Arcan) or have the name that lends itself to slang easier, but is more complete (the longer Arcadian). Completeness is good in some respects, but knowing that people are just going to shorten it until common language eliminates the complete version is just a bit... counterintuitive to me.

Brian

P.S. There are other merits to Arcan and Arcadian than just these, of course. Arcan, like I stated in my post, is more like Archon. However, that could result in more confusion. Eh, balancing act. And others. So, debate, decide and get on with the more important aspects such as core principles.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Citizenship name.

I believe.. in regards to Arcadian/Arcan.. I rather like Arcan better. It is an adapted word, fitting in as much as we are adapting.

Arcan does flow well in addition to tying into 'Archon', and it sounds in my (admittedly warped) mind much like a single form of Archon which could well be regarded as a plural, a mass of success and knowledge. While the Archon is a single individual, they have worked hard, earned their way to this position and have attained a collection of wisdom and experience that lay scattered among all other citizens. If that.. makes sense.

Currency.

I very much like 'signum/sig' for our unit of currency. And appreciate your defintion!

Anthem.

I enjoy irony. I also like the idea of.. no lyrics. I am one of those memory impaired individuals and would likely forget the words, resulting in either terrible off key humming or uncomfortable silence. And frantic, flustered hand waving. Embarassed

Motto.

Most definitely something that one would have to put effort into understanding. The motto for a meritocratic society should be something that is not... basic, easy, typical or mediocre.

Plant.

I.. really do have a suggestion for this. I just have to go research the name and find an image. After dinner. *nod*
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I just realised not everyone here actually knows what a silverskull butterfly is.

A silverskull butterfly is a genetical blend of butterfly and a carnivorous packhunter of your choice. They're not unusually large for a butterfly - their wingspan is in the whereabouts of five centimeters. Their wingdust is black, with a strongly stylised, white-ish silver version of a humanoid skull on them - the picture is complete when the wings are held horizontal, each wing describing one half of that image. Their abdomen is furry, with some of the skull's teeth continued in pattern in that fur, white. They have sharp 'teeth' (more like spikes around the base of the typical butterfly curled tongue) and, by themselves, are really very, very harmless - like a mosquito, perhaps. But they tend to hunt in massive packs which can quickly strip all skin from your body.

There are other variants of the silverskull that are poisonous... Very Happy

Um, yeah.

Oh, and, they're fictional. Just in case that got lost along the way... Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 1:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neike Taika-Tessaro wrote:
Oh, and, they're fictional. Just in case that got lost along the way... Razz


Wink

True about the Citizenship Name, and the more I say both Archon and Arcan out loud, I seem to be tripping over the difference.

Perhaps it would be better to use something not so visually as well as vocally similar to the leader name as the citizenship name (or vise versa).

Perhaps Arcan could be the second leading Arcadian from the (top) Archon? Or would the name still be an issue?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 9:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh gods, I'm sorry, Leiren, I totally missed your post because you put it up whilst I was typing my own last response. Forgive!

Leiren Trelliven wrote:
I believe.. in regards to Arcadian/Arcan.. I rather like Arcan better. It is an adapted word, fitting in as much as we are adapting.

Arcan does flow well in addition to tying into 'Archon', and it sounds in my (admittedly warped) mind much like a single form of Archon which could well be regarded as a plural, a mass of success and knowledge. While the Archon is a single individual, they have worked hard, earned their way to this position and have attained a collection of wisdom and experience that lay scattered among all other citizens. If that.. makes sense.


It does. I like the idea that our Citizenship name is not too different from our leadership title - for, unlike with other government forms, there is no line to draw, there is not "government and the people", there is "government out of the people", so to speak.

Is everyone in favour of Arcan, then?

Leiren Trelliven wrote:
I very much like 'signum/sig' for our unit of currency.


After having let this run around in my head a few times, I would have to agree. Very nice. I don't believe it's the best choice, but the best suggestion made so far. I'll see if I can come up with anything else to rival it - but, don't hold your breaths.

Leiren Trelliven wrote:
Plant.

I.. really do have a suggestion for this. I just have to go research the name and find an image. After dinner. *nod*


*sleevetug*
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 18, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree for the currency, though I'm still split on the topic of Arcan.
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